@burny_tech: some updates on the optimizer magic

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A new NVIDIA paper proposes higher-order optimizers like Muon and SOAP as more efficient alternatives to AdamW for large-scale LLM pretraining.

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some updates on the optimizer magic

alphaXiv (@askalphaxiv): “SOAP, Muon, and Beyond: Pushing LLM Pretraining Scales”

This new NVIDIA paper suggests that AdamW may not be sufficient for frontier LLM pretraining anymore!

In the paper, they show that higher-order optimizers like Muon and SOAP can train large LLMs more efficiently at

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