Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

# Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting Source: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49643556) [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644100&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644100&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty\! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them\. This is making the status\-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity\. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and prefer on\-premises and OSS models or even custom trained models\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644021&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644021&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise"\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644075&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644075&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) Does OpenAI use optimistic UI updates? After you disabled the checkbox, it might have had failed in the backend \(and not updated the UI\)\. Verify with devtools to see if that's the case\. \-\-\- for me, Youtube "auto\-play" irks the me same way, and turning it off did not actually succeed in the backend, thus kept on left as on [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643822&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643822&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) \> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re\-enabled if you believe it to be off right now\. Or simply switch to a competitor\. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior? FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644012&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644012&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today\. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643889&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643889&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) I've noticed that toggle sets a local storage entry, but the value of it doesn't appear to matter at all for new tab loads\. I hoped it's "just" a UI bug, but some agent\-driven reverse engineering of the page should reveal the answer, as well as how intentional it was\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643850&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643850&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) My cynicism fails me on this matter\.\.\. do I cynically believe that these companies keep deliberately and routinely re\- or un\-checking these checkboxes because of the obvious benefits of "whoopsie guess you allowed these after all"? Or do I cynically believe that they are just so completely incompetent and inept at the simple act of maintaining settings that there may be a number of these that are not entirely intentional? As evidenced by the number of other bugs and configuration failures and random settings changes on update I see in other places? Sure, these sorts of settings sure*seem*to get spontaneously flipped more often than the other ones but they aren't the only settings I've seen get nuked on updates\. Now, obviously, considered as a whole, I think we're looking at "both"\. But when I wonder about specific cases like this one, that doesn't help\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643881&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49643881&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) Oh no… OpenAI, the company who encourages and instructs Apple employees on how to get them data on apple products when they accept an offer? [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644061&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=49644061&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D49643556) i mean, the entire company is built upon stealing protected artefacts\.\.\. i'd be skeptical of any radio box that says "hey if you press this we promise we won't steal your data"