@VincentLogic: If Ilya Is Right, the Three Strongest Consensuses in AI Over the Past Few Years Might All Be Wrong: Scaling Is No Longer the Universal Answer. High Benchmark Scores Don't Equal True Intelligence. RL Might Even Be Making Models 'Dumber'. This Interview, Called 'the Last Interview Before Ilya Disappeared'...
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Ilya Sutskever suggested in an in-depth interview that the three core consensuses of the AI industry over the past few years could all be mistaken: Scaling is no longer a silver bullet, high benchmark scores do not equate to real intelligence, and RL is instead making models 'dumber'. He believes the dividends from pre-training and RL are nearly exhausted, AI has re-entered the era of research, and true superintelligence should possess a strong learning capability like a gifted teenager, not a static repository of knowledge.
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If Ilya’s judgment is correct, then the three most solid consensuses in the AI industry over the past few years may all be wrong:
- Scaling is no longer the universal answer.
- High benchmark scores do not equal real intelligence.
- RL may even be making models dumber.
In this conversation — described as “the last interview before Ilya disappeared” — he likened current large models to competitive programming contestants: they can solve very hard problems, but when faced with a real-world project, they fix one bug and create two new ones, in an endless loop.
The problem may not be that the models are too small, but that the reward mechanism drives them to over‑pursue correct answers, gradually losing common sense, intuition, and learning ability.
His more radical conclusion:
The pre‑training dividend has peaked, the RL dividend is nearly exhausted, and AI has already regressed from the Scaling era back into a “research era.”
True superintelligence will not be a finished product that you download and already knows everything. Instead, it will be more like a fifteen‑year‑old genius: possessing extremely strong learning ability, and then continuously growing in the real world.
If this direction holds, the next round of AI competition will no longer be about who piles up more data and GPUs, but about who first cracks why humans can learn something new after seeing just a few examples.
Ilya rarely speaks in empty words, but this time he talked for more than forty minutes.
It’s worth watching the whole thing. Which part overturns your understanding the most?
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