We need tech news sources which exclude AI

# We need tech news sources which exclude AI Source: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713041) [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713696&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713696&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I've been coding professionally for over 30 years\. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years\. I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude\. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it\. There are no interesting tech discussions to be had there\. And sure, there are plenty of AI scam artists out there \(most seem to have switched from Crypto experts to AI experts in the last couple of years\)\. But the underlying tech that is being used in AI is not only interesting, but also useful\. I'm seeing people who have never coded before produce some cool apps\. OK, they're not production\-grade, but that's still new people doing new and interesting stuff with this tech\. My own workflow is profoundly different from what it was a year ago\. I've seen old problems that were really incredibly difficult to fix collapse completely using this tech\. It's a useful tool if you're developing software\. I suspect there are other areas of human endeavour where it will be useful too\. I very much doubt it will replace all human work, or become sentient\. I think we need to separate out the AI business, which is its usual mess of scam, exaggeration, and buffoonery, and the actual AI tech, which is producing some really useful tools\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713733&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713733&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) Not only that but it impinges on your life; it would be irresponsible to ignore it\. There goes your job while you weren't paying attention\.\.\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713774&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713774&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) As a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713809&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713809&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) Idk if someone paying attention to how 2025 and 2026 have gone thinks that by 2028 we will be*backing off of agenting coding*that is wild\. Like the other comment says: future models refactor the code of older models\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713834&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713834&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) if you were paying attention you would've noticed that between 2025 and 2026 the pricing of these things have somewhat changed\. How does the extrapolation look with that? [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713912&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713912&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) Good thing we have reams of data on this, holding performance constant the cost goes down 10\-40x per year:[https://epoch\.ai](https://epoch.ai/)\(like the first box\) Also, frontier token prices have remained roughly constant: 3\.5 sonnet: $3/$15 3\.7 sonnet: $3/$15 Opus 4: $15/$75 \(opus tier\) opus 4\.1: same Opus 4\.5: $5/$25 Opus 4\.6 \(same\) 4\.7 \(same\) 4\.8 \(Same\) Fable: $10/$50 So Fable is cheaper than Opus 4 was at launch\. One thing that has increased quite significantly? Spending and adoption\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713833&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713833&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) As a professional elevator operator I'm looking forward to being hired by companies when they realise that sometimes people punch in the wrong floor, wasting everybody's time\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713814&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713814&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I wonder if people said this about compilers\. Some day they’ll replace all that compiler generated junk with hand crafted ASM\. This reminds me of that\. The spec is the new high level language\. Code is ASM\. ASM is like CPU microcode\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713853&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713853&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I entered the programming world circa 1995\. There were indeed still some holdouts\. A few of them were even good enough to hold out up to that point and write some code that would have been hard to replicate with the compilers of the time\. By the 200xs they were gone\. Interestingly, I would say what killed them in the early 2000s wasn't actually compilers, it was the interpreted languages\. Others may disagree\. Even if they were dog slow by comparison, scripting languages made some things so much easier to program that it didn't matter\. And then it prompted static languages to up their game to try to match that\. By the time that process played out, people writing only in assembler couldn't keep up anymore\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713892&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713892&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) \> The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam That is straight\-up false\. It's best to not speak of things you don't properly understand\. If it were true, they wouldn't hold the financial value that they do or anywhere close to it\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713842&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713842&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I disagree\. The problem, if I concede there is a problem , is not new or unique to AI but problematic to the internet \-fake news, fake reviews, AstroTurfing, etc\. This is not an AI problem\. The internet is a bad place with lots of bad actors and no one says anything about malicious state actors who pollute the internet \(they might be called xenophobic \!\) AI merely is another tool for bad actors to be better bad actors, but that doesn't mean AI is*the problem*\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713851&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713851&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) Reddit is a training ground for AI\. They are part of the "AI problem " no? And AI needs to avoid feeding itself synthetic data\. Maybe this whole Anti AI frenzy is just an attempt to feed AI human content\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713141&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713141&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) This topic is just naturally controversial — AI and the internet are so intertwined with it that there’s really no way to avoid the conversation\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713455&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713455&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I agree\. The worst part about it is like 80% of the conversation is motivated speech\. That's worse than the technology itself\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713788&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713788&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I’ll wait for OP to respond in affirmative but I’m not necessarily agreeing that that’s what they meant\. By that standard then literally everything that is opinion based \(ideological\) is motivated reasoning [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713850&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713850&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) With cryptocurrencies/NFTs/etc\. everybody talked them up because they are invested in Bitcoin or whatnot\. With LLMs, everybody talks them up because they are invested in Nvidia or have other exposure \(which is almost everybody considering with all the datacenter building if this industry tanks US economy is also\), or because they are invested in having jobs\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713677&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713677&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) we need entirely new communities where "contributors" all share a common understanding that they will not publish AI for other contributors to consume\. They can all individually create and consume AI outside of this community of course\. [https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713661&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041](https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48713661&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D48713041) I think the problem is concentration\. AI now absorbs almost all of the oxygen from every category\. A story about new chips becomes an AI story\. Cloud pricing becomes an AI story\. Even personal projects get pulled into the same orbit\.